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Post by Portland TrailBlazers on Dec 3, 2017 20:51:58 GMT 2
Hey guys, sorry to interrupt but I need the committee’s input on the tank policy in this league. I assume that the occasional benching on Sundays to win a couple categories is ok but are we really going to allow managers sitting players DURING the week with no penalties? We might as well pack it and go home if we let a few teams in the bottom to compete for 9-0 “victories” whenever they decide to do so. Sam Hinkie died for our sins, let’s just not kill an entire league for that, thank you
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 8:38:39 GMT 2
Hey LeBron,
how have you been? I hope all is well!
Let's see now... First of all, how did this come up? Was there a problem with your match-up or is it one of your "followers" making noise in the background? Please provide more input.
Secondly, what do you propose? How do you stop somebody from benching? Please formulate and propose a rule that will resolve all issues (including people forgetting to set up their lineups due to the fact that they have more important things to do with their lives). And I hope that your Sundays-only benching is not an actual proposal... And I hope incorporating penalties for benching was just a figure of speech, not an actual proposal from a manager of your stature.
Thanks LeBron!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 10:17:18 GMT 2
To make the story short, we had another discussion about benching with the committee and there is consensus feeling that there can be no absolute rule forbidding or regulating it. Feel free to propose your own and we will take it into consideration.
PS: There is the type of benching to win now (e.g. a specific category) and there is the type of benching to win long term (season tanking & draft pick order). In any case, if managers in this league want to actively bench their players, this will show what type of league they want to be part of. Everybody is free to create their own strategy, however the league's success and longevity depends on its managers and their approach. You are all grown-ups and you can rationally decide on what type of league you want to create and be a part of.
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Post by Portland TrailBlazers on Dec 4, 2017 15:12:01 GMT 2
Hey LeBron, how have you been? I hope all is well! Let's see now... First of all, how did this come up? Was there a problem with your match-up or is it one of your "followers" making noise in the background? Please provide more input. Secondly, what do you propose? How do you stop somebody from benching? Please formulate and propose a rule that will resolve all issues (including people forgetting to set up their lineups due to the fact that they have more important things to do with their lives). And I hope that your Sundays-only benching is not an actual proposal... And I hope incorporating penalties for benching was just a figure of speech, not an actual proposal from a manager of your stature. Thanks LeBron! Here’s your input, a simple copy and paste from the Constitution, you are welcome btw, my goal since day 1 is for this league to evolve and become better one day at a time: “We have tried to clarify as many things as possible through the Constitution but it is more than certain that loopholes will potentially show up since this is more of an alive organization rather than simply a game. Once that time comes we will collectively decide on the matter and we will update The Constitution accordingly. We expect from everyone to communicate as an adult, act as grown-ups, show good will and be active, especially when we need to clarify an item and all opinions need to be heard.”
And we obviously all have important things to do but this shouldn’t be used as an excuse cause then we allow for Pandora’s box to open.
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Post by Portland TrailBlazers on Dec 4, 2017 15:16:10 GMT 2
To make the story short, we had another discussion about benching with the committee and there is consensus feeling that there can be no absolute rule forbidding or regulating it. Feel free to propose your own and we will take it into consideration. PS: There is the type of benching to win now (e.g. a specific category) and there is the type of benching to win long term (season tanking & draft pick order). In any case, if managers in this league want to actively bench their players, this will show what type of league they want to be part of. Everybody is free to create their own strategy, however the league's success and longevity depends on its managers and their approach. You are all grown-ups and you can rationally decide on what type of league you want to create and be a part of. I agree in principal and there is nothing that can be done in order to monitor who starts/benches their players BUT serious salary cap leagues have rules in place to avoid tanking and hurting the integrity of the league, so let’s talk about the elephant in the room: What I propose is a draft lottery system similar to the one NBA is enforcing in a couple years, teams that don’t make the playoffs (9-20) will enter the lottery and have the same odds of earning the top pick with the randomization tool we used before. We can vote and enforce it by next year, not this summer of course. The beauty to this format is it has very tangible benefits. 1. First, there is now zero incentive to not put out your best team each week. So, there's no disincentive to win any week – and that's huge. Rebuilders can focus on getting better for the future, but still root for a win each week (unless they are on the playoff bubble) 2. Secondly, this setting has ZERO influence on roster construction. If you really want to rebuild, and cut old guys and get young guys, or trade for younger, lower-producing players, that's still OK. But you can't benefit by deliberately trying to score lower with the team you have - teams should be using their best win-now players each week. In fact, now rebuilding is PURELY about roster construction, which has always been OK. This ensures teams try to win with the best win-now lineup each week when they set their lineups, and don't have to worry about winning hurting their draft spot. 3. Thirdly, it also doesn't let absentee & outright silly owners benefit, either. While some best-ball scoring will be completely flukey if a team consistently keeps putting their best points on the bench, they aren't benefitting with a higher pick when that costs them a win. 4. The fourth & last benefit is CRUCIAL for H2H leagues: every team is doing their best to win that week with this format, as rebuilders don't have to worry about being penalized for winning. So the H2H outcomes each week are coming from each team trying as hard as possible to win. That's the way it should be but let's face it, if you're faced between winning a meaningless matchup, or getting to move up 1 spot and pick Luca Doncic in the next draft class, is that what everyone will do? So each week, all 20 teams will be going all out to win, and rebuilders will not be encouraged to lose to get a higher draft pick. That's not just good for H2H leagues - it's great IMO. Even if an owner deliberately tanks, or is absent there is NO reward for doing that by getting a better draft spot, and more importantly, no penalty for trying to win that week. Finally, all the above is ONLY used for the teams that don't make the playoffs. If you made the playoffs, nothing happens. This measure is only needed for non-playoff teams - in dynasty leagues, this is where the incentive to tank appears. Hope this helps and I would love to hear from the rest of the league.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 15:16:56 GMT 2
Great job LeBron the IT professional. You have now proven that “copy and paste” is a skill you have mastered. Do you need a medal? Yet, once again you avoid providing the league with actual input/suggestions/proposals. Welcome back LeBron the douche! ... and grow the fuck up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 15:18:56 GMT 2
That’s better... we will take your opinion under serious consideration and let you know where we stand. This goes for every member of this league! Let’s hear from everybody.
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Post by Portland TrailBlazers on Dec 4, 2017 15:56:04 GMT 2
Great job LeBron the IT professional. You have now proven that “copy and paste” is a skill you have mastered. Do you need a medal? Yet, once again you avoid providing the league with actual input/suggestions/proposals. Welcome back LeBron the douche! ... and grow the fuck up. Just for the record, that’s the moment when you fucked up your priorities and decided to troll Lebron the IT instead of adding Harkless to his roster 😂😂🤡
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Post by Indiana Pacers on Dec 4, 2017 16:14:18 GMT 2
even though i like lebrons point of view...i completely disagree with you, cause i still hate you...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 19:06:37 GMT 2
I would like to apologize in advance for my stupid question, but: Since a. We can vote and enforce it by next year, not this summer of course (as LeBron the GREAT stated) b. The NBA draft lottery system is going to change, not in a couple of years, but next year ( New Lottery System) c. We live by the NBA lottery system (Constitution: We will pair up each of the lottery teams with the corresponding real-life NBA lottery teams by record) What are we talking about here?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 8:11:08 GMT 2
I would like to apologize in advance for my stupid question, but: Since a. We can vote and enforce it by next year, not this summer of course (as LeBron the GREAT stated) b. The NBA draft lottery system is going to change, not in a couple of years, but next year ( New Lottery System) c. We live by the NBA lottery system (Constitution: We will pair up each of the lottery teams with the corresponding real-life NBA lottery teams by record) What are we talking about here? Your question does make sense. There is only a small difference between the NBA's new draft lottery system and what Cleveland is proposing. The NBA will be giving equal chances to the 1st pick to the bottom 3 teams. Cleveland is proposing for all 12 non-playoff team of our league to have equal chances to the 1st pick.
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Post by Philadelphia 76ers on Dec 6, 2017 9:19:02 GMT 2
I would like to apologize in advance for my stupid question, but: Since a. We can vote and enforce it by next year, not this summer of course (as LeBron the GREAT stated) b. The NBA draft lottery system is going to change, not in a couple of years, but next year ( New Lottery System) c. We live by the NBA lottery system (Constitution: We will pair up each of the lottery teams with the corresponding real-life NBA lottery teams by record) What are we talking about here? Your question does make sense. There is only a small difference between the NBA's new draft lottery system and what Cleveland is proposing. The NBA will be giving equal chances to the 1st pick to the bottom 3 teams. Cleveland is proposing for all 12 non-playoff team of our league to have equal chances to the 1st pick. I think bottom 3 has the same chances is superior to what lebron says. Otherwise what is the point of playing dynasty ?
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Post by Portland TrailBlazers on Dec 6, 2017 11:37:47 GMT 2
I think bottom 3 has the same chances is superior to what lebron says. Otherwise what is the point of playing dynasty ? Cmon Ilker, we all know the answer to that, make as many trades as possible, don’t be shy 👻
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 17:11:43 GMT 2
Ok, one more question (the last, i promise): If we go the 12 equal chances way, can we eventually create more tankers? For example: If i am a playoff team, but with minimum odds of winning the price, why not tank and fall in the 9th place, if that gives me an equal chance to the 1st overall pick? Just food for thought
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 17:52:42 GMT 2
I think the last 3 teams having the same chances is by far the better option.Dont forget the whole simple point is to make the worst teams stronger, not much to discuss here. If you want to punish the agressive tanking , you can find other ways like $penalties . Pernonally ,i dont care if someone seats his players the entire year though, as long as its happening every week , not selectively.
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